tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post8731116252627348726..comments2023-05-28T08:29:04.327-04:00Comments on Style Snatcher: Thom Browne's SchooldaysSuzanna Marshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-63132583770336227172008-02-08T16:22:00.000-05:002008-02-08T16:22:00.000-05:00oh, i had such a pleasure reading this and it was ...oh, i had such a pleasure reading this and it was funny because i posted an essay on a similar topic today and i feel like a messy scholar comparing to you. still have so much to learn.<BR/>i guess browne is a prisoner of his own success. once he was shocking and daring and then all the scoup of milan and paris shows followed his steps. instead of giving up the schoolboy-meets-puer-aeternus stuff (which is extremely freudistic to me) he decided to make it even bolder which, at some point, brought it to caricaturism. yet, i loved the show and it was such a breath of fresh air to me. sometimes fresh air is the one which stinks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-11346394744266253542008-02-08T14:43:00.000-05:002008-02-08T14:43:00.000-05:00note: the link shows when we highlight it and copy...note: the link shows when we highlight it and copy it, so no worries :)Bobble Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13135088303192205829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-45465556555997218062008-02-08T04:43:00.000-05:002008-02-08T04:43:00.000-05:00http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/portrait_of_the_ar...http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/portrait_of_the_artist_as_a_dh.php<BR/><BR/>Riz, if this URL doesn't post in entirety, google:<BR/>Portrait of the artist as a dhimmified man.Suzanna Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-10804850646740248722008-02-08T04:41:00.000-05:002008-02-08T04:41:00.000-05:00Riz is right; there's far more to this than shock ...Riz is right; there's far more to this than shock value (although at face value many may just leave it at that knee-jerk reaction).<BR/><BR/>The whole of it is so complicated--too many sexual themes going on involving the Catholic church, ball-breaking mother figures, and some avian alter ego.<BR/><BR/>Viewed this way, it was the collection closest to "art." Now, whether we can accept it as art depends on how we define art--and for this I am going to refer the fine mind of Rizvana here (for question of what constitutes art--some here are very conservative):<BR/><BR/>http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/portrait_of_the_artist_as_a_dh.php<BR/><BR/>Methinks you're going to write one hell of an essay, girlfriend!Suzanna Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-9073173120376169912008-02-08T04:39:00.000-05:002008-02-08T04:39:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Suzanna Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-40851495672786570232008-02-08T02:03:00.000-05:002008-02-08T02:03:00.000-05:00but that collection he did for women was absolutel...but that collection he did for women was absolutely amazing!Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08626323070081159883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-78837665793062286522008-02-08T01:57:00.000-05:002008-02-08T01:57:00.000-05:00not necessarily Foucault. But Zizek. I initially...not necessarily Foucault. But Zizek. I initially thought it was is shock for the sake of shock, but of course he's not Galliano, so it's much more complicated than that. If it is unabashedly the middle finger, well, at least there's adamancy there. No need for the postmodern circus antics.<BR/><BR/>PS - I'll probably review this at a later point.rizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09889071198159171775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-40614064917468229772008-02-07T18:42:00.000-05:002008-02-07T18:42:00.000-05:00Because I enjoy so much of what Browne has done he...Because I enjoy so much of what Browne has done he makes me ask what has become a recurring question in a far more serious tone - what purpose fashion?<BR/><BR/>As I have pored over the collections from Milan and Paris, and as I prepare to engage New York, I was struck time and again by clothing that was simply beyond me. In many instances they ceased to register as clothes at all, and seemed more like the ridiculous skins of an extinct, and fairly stupid, animal.<BR/><BR/>I am not meant to wear the clothes, so I suppose the assumption goes their purpose must be to make me think. But think what? A little ankle is good - a little ankle shared with someone else's ankle is just kind of silly.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I need to read more Foucault (always, always more Foucault).Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03874196441496831678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-56895805920303134982008-02-07T17:34:00.000-05:002008-02-07T17:34:00.000-05:00You know, this collection actually reminds me the ...You know, this collection actually reminds me the best moments of Viktor & Rolf, so baaaaack in the days.Bobble Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13135088303192205829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-31516357677474785332008-02-07T16:52:00.000-05:002008-02-07T16:52:00.000-05:00I don't like shock for the sole sake of shock valu...I don't like shock for the sole sake of shock value.... and this collection smacked of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-45579533825143443092008-02-07T16:45:00.000-05:002008-02-07T16:45:00.000-05:00Men's fashion has been a one-ringed circus for too...Men's fashion has been a one-ringed circus for too long. <BR/><BR/>How many guys take risks in their office clothing? And how many offices would tolerate it if they tried a simple ankle cuff trouser?Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03406942482508439839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-63576913996796656692008-02-07T14:05:00.000-05:002008-02-07T14:05:00.000-05:00DCB, I was hoping for someone to weigh in with the...DCB, I was hoping for someone to weigh in with the male perspective (especially someone as stylish and intuitive as yourself)!<BR/><BR/>Seems to me Browne is setting himself up. It's as if he's trying to pioneer that which has already been pioneered (viz himself, of course), and in so doing has now created a kind of exasperated expectation. <BR/><BR/>Either that or he's riding the "all publicity is good publicity" wave, but he's cresting too near the top of the ridiculous. Still, one waits to see what will come. In these terms this collection was a great success.<BR/><BR/>That, I might restate, is only my opinion. I know many people were thrilled with this collection and considered it a triumph and another large step towards this exciting, socially conscious modern world that has of late been a very popular theme in fashion.Suzanna Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-20393725712701254202008-02-07T13:45:00.000-05:002008-02-07T13:45:00.000-05:00I think what you stated in your first comment epit...I think what you stated in your first comment epitomizes Browne's problem - 'the same point is always going to be reinforced'. <BR/><BR/>Browne, it seems, fancies himself as the daring, dashing dandy and is eager to surprise, appearing uncaring as to whether he invokes delight with his designs. He really needs to re-examine his vision and perhaps change course, even just subtly, as, although I enjoyed this latest collection, it seemed just a tad melodramatic for Browne.<BR/><BR/>/DCB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-69800314797639123462008-02-07T11:21:00.000-05:002008-02-07T11:21:00.000-05:00WB, better stick with the butt bow!(Comment about ...WB, better stick with the butt bow!<BR/><BR/>(Comment about most people annoying you has made my mornin. Another wonderfully humorous WB gem!)Suzanna Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-88862171540217605582008-02-07T09:19:00.000-05:002008-02-07T09:19:00.000-05:00Great post...and I definitely want a Siamese twin ...Great post...and I definitely want a Siamese twin suit. Oh, maybe not. Most people annoy me.WendyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985099019783464580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-60137547800918742162008-02-07T02:43:00.000-05:002008-02-07T02:43:00.000-05:00That's exactly it, P.! This collection shows less ...That's exactly it, P.! This collection shows less possibility than it does limitation, to me. The same point is always going to be reinforced in his typical Pee Wee Herman-ish way, so it really has to be pushed to some truly outrageous moment in order to reinforce it. For me it wasn't so much a statement as a restatement for the purpose of entertainment and keeping buzz buzzing.Suzanna Marshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608476858881481560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8816469959412140243.post-39730984539546763312008-02-07T02:27:00.000-05:002008-02-07T02:27:00.000-05:00Browne is definitely the most interesting tailor t...Browne is definitely the most interesting tailor these days. There are amazing and really avant-garde men's wear designers but he is using something as "old fashion" as tailoring rules to make bold statements.<BR/>chapeau.Bobble Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13135088303192205829noreply@blogger.com